2026-05-07-Unblock-產品設計產品管理-Ep2-產品領導

《產品設計↔產品管理》Ep2: 設計師趕快去做產品領導職？！

後設資料

• URL：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjg2Bg2duQc
• 頻道：Unblock
• 講者：Alexis Logan（影片自述為 Director of Product Management / Unblock team member）
• 發表日：2022-09-28（yt-dlp metadata）
• 影片長度：10:28
• 語言：英文（使用者貼入 YouTube 逐字稿；本頁摘要轉寫為繁體）
• 系列定位：四集系列第 2 集；講者目標是說服部分 產品設計師 在職涯某階段考慮轉向 產品經理 / 產品領導。

一句話濃縮

Alexis Logan 把 產品經理 的角色拆成商業、使用者體驗與技術三圈的整合工作，主張 產品設計師 因為熟悉顧客觀點、設計溝通與工程協作，具備轉向 產品領導 的優勢；但 PM 不是產品 CEO，而是在願景、溝通、優先級與跨職能實作之間作為 glue 的角色。

提取要點

一、產品管理角色建立在三個圈：商業、UX、技術

影片引用 Marty Cagan 的產品經理責任：找出什麼是 valuable、usable、feasible；也引用 Martin Eriksson 的 product management Venn diagram：產品位於 design / user experience、technology、business 的交集。

• 商業圈：PM 要最大化產品商業價值與 ROI，聚焦值得解決的問題，而不是只收集功能要求。
• UX 圈：PM 不應假裝自己是設計師或研究員，但需要大量參與 discovery，讓自己「浸泡在顧客觀點裡」，能在產品生命週期各階段代表顧客需求。
• 技術圈：PM 不必會寫程式，但需要理解 tech stack、系統如何互相作用、工程師怎麼工作，才能和團隊共同拆解解法並送進 delivery engine。

這補強 產品設計三元素 在產品管理語境中的版本：產品經理不是三圈任一專家，而是讓三圈能一起形成產品判斷的人。

二、PM 是補洞與連線的人

影片把 PM 描述成 broad and varied 的角色：PM 需要看見所有 pieces 的連接狀態，當某個 piece 缺失或 pieces 沒有接起來時，PM 要去補洞、串起來，讓團隊能前進。

這裡的產品工作不是「PM 自己想出答案」，而是吸收願景、顧客需求、市場機會與團隊資訊後，和團隊一起形成 vision / action，推進產品成功。

三、產品領導與產品管理在 vision 交界

影片指出，產品領導與產品管理的第一個重疊點在 vision：

• 作為 leader，PM 需要擁有方向感、傳達 mission、讓團隊看見產品願景。
• 作為 manager，PM 又要處理 implementation，把系統、流程與團隊工作往前推。

因此產品管理天然含有 leadership component。PM 在同一個角色中來回切換：一邊 evangelize vision，一邊管理實作系統。

四、PM 不是產品 CEO

影片明確反對「PM 就像 CEO」這個常見比喻，因為它暗示 PM 做所有決策。實際上 PM 是和團隊協作，綜合一群人的思考，釐清產品應該如何運作、為什麼要那樣運作，並作為把事情黏起來的 glue。

這補強 產品經理 頁既有命題：產品經理不能把代表使用者誤解成替所有人下指令。

五、產品設計師具備轉向產品領導的優勢

Alexis Logan 對設計師的論點有三層：

1. 產品設計師 已經熟悉顧客觀點與使用者需求，這是 PM 最重要的功能之一。
2. 設計師常和工程師協作，通常有足夠的 technical aptitude 可以建立共同語言。
3. 設計師習慣清楚呈現自己的思考，這些溝通、說服、整理觀點的能力可延伸到 產品領導。

她特別提到 product leaders 需要能簡潔呈現 idea，也需要 charisma、diligence、contribution 等能力；這些能力一路可往 C-suite 延伸。

六、產品管理打開另一條職涯梯子

影片把產品設計師職涯描述成原本已有 individual contributor 與 manager track，但轉向產品管理會打開另一條 robust career ladder：associate PM、senior PM、PM management track、director、head of product，甚至 CEO。

重點不是每個人都要往 CEO 走，而是如果設計師想：

• 從 tactical design activities zoom out；
• 參與 problem prioritization；
• 在定義產品前進路徑上更靠近邊緣；
• 更直接影響產品如何服務顧客；

那代表他至少對產品管理 / 產品領導的路徑開放。

提取概念

連結到此來源衍生 / 更新的 wiki 頁：

• 產品領導（新建）——本來源主概念；產品管理中的 vision、mission、跨職能整合與職涯梯子。
• 產品經理（更新）——補入 PM 角色本身已包含 leadership component；PM 不是 CEO，而是 cross-functional glue。
• 產品設計三元素（更新）——補入 Martin Eriksson product management Venn diagram 語境：UX / technology / business 三圈。
• UX職能（更新）——補入產品設計師轉 PM / 產品領導的職涯切換路徑。
• 領導與管理（更新）——補入產品場景中 vision 是 leadership 與 management 的交界。
• MOC-UX / MOC-組織管理 / MOC-職涯（更新）——補入 產品領導 作為 UX / PM / 組織協作 / 設計師職涯轉換的交界頁。
• Unblock（更新）——新增「產品設計 ↔ 產品管理」系列軸。
• 觀察清單（同步）——新增同系列 Ep1 / Ep3 / Ep4 待 ingest。

Ingest 筆記

2026-05-07

• 建頁判斷：本來源密度集中在 product leadership，而不是只補 產品經理 的一般職責。它把 PM 的 vision、mission、跨職能整合、產品設計師轉職與 product ladder 串成一組可複用概念，因此新建 產品領導。
• 不新建 Alexis Logan entity：講者資訊目前只在本來源中出現，且內容重心是產品領導職涯論述，不是個人 biography；先作來源 metadata。
• 不新建 Marty Cagan / Martin Eriksson entity：兩者在影片中是背景引用；vault 已在 產品思維 未來累積方向提及 Marty Cagan，本次先補到來源筆記與相關概念，不擴張成 entity。
• 系列觀察：影片自稱是四集系列第 2 集；Ep1 主題為 product design vs product management gap。其餘集數若 ingest，可補足設計師轉產品管理的完整路徑，因此加入 觀察清單。
• ASR / 轉寫修訂：逐字稿中的 “Martin Kagan” 依產品管理語境整理為 Marty Cagan；“Eriksson Venn diagram” 整理為 Martin Eriksson 的 product management Venn diagram；“dripping in the customer perspective” 保留為「浸泡在顧客觀點裡」。

原文（使用者貼入逐字稿）

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you always need to do a bang
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hello Tech babes I'm Alexis Logan I'm a
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director of product management and a
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member of the unblocked team and I'm
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here to talk to you today about product
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leadership and part two of a four-part
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series that I've designed to convince
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some of you product designers to become
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product managers at some point in your
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career in episode one examining the gap
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between product design and product
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management I explain the differences
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between the roles and I highlight the
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gaps and I hope I communicated that
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product designers have a lot of
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advantages when considering a switch
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from design into product management and
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if I've successfully convinced any of
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you that potentially switching to
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product management why don't you attend
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a one-day Workshop inside of America
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it's exclusive to unblocked viewers it's
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free and I'm really going to look to
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design this to fit the needs of who
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signs up and then we'll put together
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small groups where we can have a lively
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conversation get to know each other and
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learn more about how you might chart
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this path into product management okay
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Tech babes that's the pitch if you like
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the content and please subscribe to the
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channel and remember if at any time I
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create your interest sign up for the
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workshop all the links are in the
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description before we get into what
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product leadership really is we're going
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to need to clarify the product
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management role and we're going to need
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to talk about the overlap between
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leadership and management and then we'll
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really be able to contextualize the
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conversation about leadership I just
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like to reference what Martin Kagan says
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I've said this in other videos but it's
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really worth saying again he says that a
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product manager is
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supposed to discover what is valuable
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usable and feasible and then it's
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Ericsson who has the Venn diagram that
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I'm always references about how product
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lives at the intersection of design or
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user experience technology and business
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first let's talk about the Business
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Circle right this whole function of
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business PMS are responsible for
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maximizing the business value of a
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product and we have to stay focused on
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optimizing a product to achieve the
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maximum return on investments the way
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that you get to your maximum return on
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investment is through optimization of
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your team and it's still really focusing
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on problems that are worth stopping and
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that's actually something that product
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designers are very good at and I think
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can bring to the table when they take on
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this very important business function
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let's talk about the user experience
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sphere this is where product designers
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live and it's another spirit that
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product managers need to be familiar
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with because you have to be
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customer-centric you've got to be the
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voice of the customer PM shouldn't try
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to be the designer and they shouldn't
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try and be the researcher but PMS need
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to spend a significant portion of their
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time doing these kinds of Discovery
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activities they need to be dripping in
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the customer perspective so that they
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can do a good job representing their
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customer at every stage of the life
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cycle evangelizing what problems we're
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solving making sure that everyone is
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constantly connected to user needs this
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is probably the most important function
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as I said it's really connecting to
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customer needs that eventually produces
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money that's why product designers have
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to wake up when they're coming in to
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this whole transition into product
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management because you note this you
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know if you don't have a general idea
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about how the product will be built it's
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going to be pretty hard to guide a team
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to build something I for example I I
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don't have a tech background I came from
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a design background but what I can do is
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work with Engineers to really understand
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our general Tech stack and our systems
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and how they work together I've got a
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basic understanding of how development
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works and how they do their jobs and
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this allows us to have a common language
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when we go into figuring out the right
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solution breaking it up and moving it
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into the delivery engine as designers
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working with Engineers you probably have
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a level of technical aptitude that makes
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you well suited for being a product
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manager you need to have the general
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understanding not know how to write
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why do PMS have to pull from all
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cross-functional roles well it's because
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the role is very Broad and varied in a
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way PMS are just responsible for doing
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whatever needs to be done we have to
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look around and figure out all the
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connectivity between all the pieces if a
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piece is missing or pieces are not
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connecting we have to go fill in the
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missing piece and connect everything
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together so that we can actually make
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progress it can be stressful but if
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you're connected to the vision do you
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have a sense of that Vision are you just
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so connected to the customer needs do
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you understand the market opportunity
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all of this information is assimilated
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you pull it all in you look at it with
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your team and merge with a vision action
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a team to tart to start taking steps to
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achieving that vision and that means
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you'll be connected to product success
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product success feeds a company product
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success feeds a career a career
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trajectory that can be very varied and
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disaster smiling and nimble
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and this is really the first place that
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product leadership and management
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overlap it's in this Vision part of the
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role and part of the responsibility you
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need to have ownership and provide
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guidance but you're going to be doing a
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management job in the sense that you're
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going to be working a system the team
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has to witness the leader both
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evangelizing and and being the mission
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and a manager who is really focused on
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implementation and so you're moving back
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and forth between this leadership role
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and this management role which is why
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product managers already have this
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leadership component that's something
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that I see product designers do all the
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time represent their customer and and
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come forward in a way that really brings
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the vision forward to the rest of the
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company like a product manager does you
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may have heard this like adage that um
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being a PM's like being the CEO I don't
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really like that one so much because it
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implies that you make all the decisions
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and Ah that's not really how it is I
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mean you're working together
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collaboratively with the team you're not
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making the decisions it's different
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you're working with everyone to Define
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how this thing should work and why it
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should work that way and so that's
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different than a CEO who's really
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responsible for like the viability of
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like a business you know this is very
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much about synthesizing the thinking
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that a group people are doing and and
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being the glue that holds everything
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together you know you're doing just a
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different kind of work than a CEO but I
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appreciate that the leadership part is
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spoken to
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um you know in that adage all right so
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great product leaders they need to
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understand how to present and
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communicate their ideas in concise ways
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designers that I've worked with are very
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good at communicating their thinking I
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think there's a lot that can be built on
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in terms of communication skills in a
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product designer's world that could be
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leveraged to move into a product
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leadership role these skills of Charisma
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and diligence and contribution I see
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those all the time in product designers
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as well and they are essential to
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product leadership they are skills that
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lead all the way up to the c-suite
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that's the next thing I want to talk
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about I want to talk about the curvier
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path what product leadership actually
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unlocks in terms of where you can go in
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your career until recently product
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management was more leveled under maybe
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either engineering or it could have been
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under marketing and then nowadays it's a
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standalone function there's a head of
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product that usually sits on the c-suite
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this is Now product management sitting
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at the table weighing in on strategic
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decisions and in some case that product
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manager is also the CEO it makes sense
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that somebody who is so connected to the
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vision of the product the team that's
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going to build it would of course be in
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charge you don't have to go all the way
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up you don't have to become a product
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manager and one day feel the pressure
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that you're going to be CEO it's just a
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choice it's just what these skills can
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level into and I want you to know that
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product designers path you know is a
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long individual contributor path it's
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got a whole manager track there's
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there's a lot of options but you have
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this other little ladder that you can
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shoot over to product management and it
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has a very robust career there's lots of
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levels that move you into product
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management the associate level the
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senior level you can be a senior level
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product manager for years and just level
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up in your skills or you can move into
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the management track all the way up to
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director head of product or CEO so
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essentially this little ladder over into
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product unlocks a huge portion of other
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career opportunities and eventually
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could put you in the top seat so if
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you've got this idea you want to make a
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splash you want to one day be in charge
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calling all of the shots moving into
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product will push you on the path so you
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have to ask yourself do you want to
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focus on product and how it serves your
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customers
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do you want to zoom out of the attack
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activities and have a say in
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prioritization of the problems that you
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solve are you interested in being on
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that bleeding edge of defining the path
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forward if you've said yes to any of
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these things this is a sign that you are
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at least open to the concept of moving
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into product management this is why you
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should sign up for my workshop so that
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we can talk more about it and watch the
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rest of my videos and if you like this
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content please like and share the video
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and hit subscribe on the channel and I
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look forward to talking to you soon see
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you later babes
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